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Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Johnk » 01 01, 2019 •  [Post 1]

Hello all,

Newbie here, to the forum and Elk hunting. I'm looking into a drop camp Elk hunt in Colorado this Fall (2019). Does anyone have experience with Mangus 5 Outfitters? I can't seem to find any reviews on them.

If not, any recommendations on a good drop camp outfitter?

Thanks in advance,

John
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby saddlesore » 01 01, 2019 •  [Post 2]

Better hurry,most of the good ones are booked already. At least the ones I know
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Swede » 01 01, 2019 •  [Post 3]

Welcome to the forum John. I don't know any Colorado outfitters, so I can't help you there. Pull up a chair here to camp circle and juin in any and all conversations that interest you. I hope you find the information on Mangus 5 you need.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Indian Summer » 01 01, 2019 •  [Post 4]

If you’re interested in a drop camp are you at all
Interested in a diy hunt? For the cost of one drop camp hunt with a little help you can buy the right gear to hunt on your own and use it year after year.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby saddlesore » 01 02, 2019 •  [Post 5]

John.
Do you have a party or are you solo? Reason I ask is most outfitters prefer a party.Finding one to take just one person is difficult. I see Mangus is located and hunts the San Juans in SW CO. That area has seen declines in the elk herds the last several years. I would recommend looking for hunts in NW Colorado. There are a lot more elk up in that country.

You might try J bar H outfitter, Jeanne Horne, but I am sure she is booked. Might have a cancellation though
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Scott69 » 01 02, 2019 •  [Post 6]

Consider what Indian Summer wrote.Elknuts use to have a DVD on elk scouting and I've used that imfo when map reading and using Google Earth from 2400 miles away from my hunt units.Never had a problem finding elk in any state I've hunted
You'll probably want to continue elk hunting after your 1st trip.If you buy top of the line gear,it retains good resale value
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Johnk » 01 03, 2019 •  [Post 7]

Thanks for all the helpful replies guys, much appreciated.
There are four of us, all new at hunting Elk. Looks like we are probably going to go with a guided hunt since we have no experience in this type of hunt. Hopefully we'll learn enough to go on our own in the future. Has anyone heard of/dealt with Five Bears Outfitters out of Idaho/Montana?
Thanks,
John
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Indian Summer » 01 03, 2019 •  [Post 8]

Gary Petersen goes over Lolo Pass from the Bitterroot into Idaho and comes into his area from the west. That area has been crushed by wolves! Gary is a nice guy but I’d look elsewhere. To be honest it’s been years since I’ve talked to him so maybe 5 Bears has a new owner but it’d be the same area. If you’re interested I book hunts for a Montana outfitter that you’d learn a lot from.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Johnk » 01 03, 2019 •  [Post 9]

Indian Summer. PM sent.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Swede » 01 03, 2019 •  [Post 10]

John, I would call the Montana outfitters and guides association and see what they recommend. I would guess every State has a similar organization there to help people just like yourself. They are there to assist you in finding an outfitter that meets your needs. I would check around some to verify the recommended outfitters are all top notch and try to see which is best, but I would start there.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Indian Summer » 01 04, 2019 •  [Post 11]

Swede wrote:John, I would call the Montana outfitters and guides association and see what they recommend. I would guess every state has a similar organization there to help people just like yourself. They are there to assist you in finding an outfitter that meets your needs. I would check around some to verify the recommended outfitters are all top notch and try to see which is best, but I would start there.

Swede you crack me up telling guys to call the board and such. I can tell you worked for the government. ;) Maybe that works in Washington. I bet you were the most helpful Forest Service employee ever since you were one that actually hunted elk. Most don’t.

Have you ever tried calling the Montana State Board of Outfitters? Try it sometime. A better bet would be pick a specific area, look up the USFS ranger station and ask for the outfitter permit administrator. They can give you a list of permitted outfitters for their area. They cannot recommend one over another though.

Go ahead and blast me now but I know those people by name. They can direct you to the online list of currently licensed outfitters but that’s about it. Licensing is their only business. That and license violations. You can find that on your own. A part of the state department of labor who also licenses cosmetologists etc. Would you call the department of labor to ask who gives haircuts or colors hair? Give them a ring and let me know how it goes. 406-841-2202

I always say call a taxidermist. He hunts. He knows the outfitters and not only who kills what but also which ones are pleasant. Also Game processors. They are the people who know what’s going on locally and want you to kill game.

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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Tigger » 01 04, 2019 •  [Post 12]

Once you start getting narrowed in on an outfitter, ask for unsuccessful references. If they give a good review after not getting an elk, that is a good reference.

I would highly recommend Jake Clark of Wyoming Wilderness Outfitters. Class act all the way. Highly successful and runs a good camp.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Indian Summer » 01 04, 2019 •  [Post 13]

Tigger wrote:Once you start getting narrowed in on an outfitter, ask for unsuccessful references. If they give a good review after not getting an elk, that is a good reference.

I would highly recommend Jake Clark of Wyoming Wilderness Outfitters. Class act all the way. Highly successful and runs a good camp.

Asking for unsuccessful references is a great idea.

I had a neighbor who ran a small business in a wilderness area. I remember one time I walked over and asked one of his hunters how his hunt went. He was a pretty funny guy and he said... “I nearly starved. I froze to death every night too. Not much food or wood and the tents are full of holes. I can’t wait to come back. Bob is a great guide and the were elk everywhere!” :lol:
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Swede » 01 04, 2019 •  [Post 14]

I have never hunted Montana or called the Outfitters Association. I have read that they will tell you who meets your needs, and who they have had complaints against. In fact I read that the guides association did good job of policing their outfitters as it was incumbent on them to see to it that the State's Outfitters maintain a good reputation.
One of the bugaboos against Oregon guides was that there are a lot of fly-by-nights. I assume here were some good ones, but there were plenty that weren't. I don't know how it is now.
As a federal employee I would not tell you the permittee was a scoundrel, but if you asked if we had to take enforcement action against them or we had received any complaints, you would soon figure it out. I thought guides associations were helpful.

I could tell you if a permittee was good and reputable. When you hear a government employee say they can't say something about a contractor or permittee, you can conclude there is a problem. When you hear that you will need to submit a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request for information about one of them, don't bother.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Indian Summer » 01 04, 2019 •  [Post 15]

There’s a difference between the State Board of Outfitter you mentioned in the first post and MOGA... Montana Outfitter Guide Association. Neither really has a clue who are good or not so good outfitters but the Board can tell you who has had violations. MOGA pretty much lobbies for the rights of private land outfitters and most members are just that. They pushed for the outfitter sponsored (guaranteed) elk tags in the early 2000s. In my opinion they do nothing for public land outfitters and so most aren’t members.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Swede » 01 04, 2019 •  [Post 16]

You are confusing me Joe.
Swede wrote:John, I would call the Montana outfitters and guides association and see what they recommend.
I did not think the association was government run. I was just saying other States probably have similar associations that can help. I have heard that Wyoming as a pretty strong association that lobbies their legislature and is pretty aggravatingly effective.

I don't know if I was the most helpful, but was called to the front desk to talk with hunters on occasion. Sometimes I was asked for by name. It did not matter if I was available, I gave the best information I had. Even in archery season I had no problem sharing. Some people hate to say anything really helpful, but I knew well that the State controlled the number of elk in the units. They controlled the number of hunters. They increased and decreased the number of tags sold in order to meet management objectives. If my tree stands were up, I was usually hunting. If they were down, I did not object to where you hunted. I would ask what size elk they were after and the general area where they wanted to be.
It was interesting that the tree stand hunters never went to where I recommended. I found that amusing, but it was their hunt. I do not remember any of them getting an elk either.
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby blackwolf » 01 08, 2019 •  [Post 17]

Joe, great idea on talking to taxidermists and meat processors. I have learned a lot from taxidermists .
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Re: Mangus 5 Outfitters

Postby Swede » 01 09, 2019 •  [Post 18]

blackwolf wrote:Joe, great idea on talking to taxidermists and meat processors. I have learned a lot from taxidermists .


I have not heard from taxidermists, but butchers are real bum scoop specialists. For the same reason I would not trust a taxidermist. Anyone giving them information has to know they have a monetary interest in helping people get game. If you or your family or friends want to continue hunting an area, would you tell someone you hardly know, honestly where you got your game? Or would you tell them some hunting story?
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